The Official CELPIP Podcast: Episode 4 – Advice for Newcomers Looking for a Job
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CJ [00:00:00] Hello, everyone, and welcome here, welcome back to the official CELPIP podcast, where we aim to help you. Our test takers get the score you need and support newcomers building a life in Canada. My name is CJ and along with my co-host Chris, we talk to a variety of guests from test takers, language teachers and raters to employment counselors and immigration consultants, just to name a few. We also bring in our in-house staff on the show to get their perspective. They’re the people in the company that work behind the scenes to make this CELPIP test available to you. So, Chris, how’s it going? How’s your work life been during covid?
Chris [00:00:44] Well, it was quite challenging at first, but I’ve adapted to it now. I have to admit, I like working from home, but I’ll be happy when we get to go to the office, at least sometimes.
CJ [00:00:55] Yeah, I you know, you and I have worked together for a long time, and I have to say that I do kind of miss seeing everyone in real life. I mean, it’s great to wear shorts every day and have all the convenience of working from home, but I think it’ll be really nice just to have a cup of coffee in the same room as a coworker. And of course, I’m just sick about worrying about covid.
Chris [00:01:22] Yeah, it’s been a challenging time for everyone, but it’s been especially an especially tough time for those looking for a job.
CJ [00:01:30] Yeah, and that’s so true. And that’s especially true for those that are new to Canada.
Chris [00:01:36] That’s right. So today, to help those who are looking for work right now, we’re going to revisit a CELPIP Live show. We did our job hunting during the pandemic. It’s an excerpt from an interview with a highly experienced career developer. Lots of great advice for those currently seeking employment. His name is Jose Duarte, and he specializes in helping people find jobs at nonprofit organizations in Canada. Even though we recorded it during covid times. The advice very much applies to looking for a job at any time. You should mention that the interview is conducted by Aswathi, our social media specialist. Also, that we will provide a link to a complete sort of live show available on YouTube.
CJ [00:02:29] Right. That was a great episode. So thank you for setting this up. I think we should just get right into it.
Aswathi [00:02:41] So there are people who are waiting to get their PR who will probably come to Canada after the covid-19 lockdown is lifted. What tips can you give them for looking for a job after they land?
Jose [00:02:54] OK, I think I want to give you a couple ideas. No. 1 is those people have to do their research and the reach in the market is changing, though. And they need to do a really, really good research about what they need to do in order to have to do their job in Canada, because now a lot of associations, there are changes, the standards, a lot of groups of engineers, they discover there are new ways to do certain things. So my first step will be do a research about the field you want, go to professionals associations, follow people in the in the field, know and if you like forestry, for example, go to LinkedIn and find a person with that background and learn or see what that person is doing and try to make a connection that will be the second tip to take up. The second tip is be comfortable doing networking online. No, because all this covid it is covid everybody’s at home and and try to do the networking. But networking is something like I personally is scared to do the networking. I’m going on a in and ask for a card. It is something that then is not My favorite thing to do but.
Aswathi [00:04:27] Me too.
Jose [00:04:28] Yeah. What if you want to find a job–a lot of the jobs are by invitation. It is what happened. No. And if you know a person if you first you do the research, you see what position one in your research you’ll find a company with that position follow in LinkedIn, in social media, that company, and try to find a person in that company and make a connection. But just be careful with the connection, because my. In my LinkedIn, I have these I have career coach and have content, and I receive a lot of invitations and people I didn’t know. And the first question they ask is how to say, I send you my résumé in case you have something for me. I need a job. And that person will be in a coffee shop is like, this is my résumé. Find me a job in and my first reaction is no, no, no. Things are going that way. If you start a relationship with someone online or in person, you have to build the relationship. You have to create a good bond with that person. You first you’re saying hi, hello. My name is Jose I notice you and me, we are in the same industry, human resources and it’s fascinating that’s it and way that person reply to you. Oh thank you. A I found this article. I think that will be interesting for you to share information that is networking in, in, in, in. And you build the relationship when the relationship is strong or is I you feel more comfortable. You can ask: Hey, can I know more about you? Can I know more how you are in the place you are. No? And that does that when you meet someone in the company. And what happened is a lot of the positions don’t go to the Internet because what happened let’s just put an example. In my company, let’s say I talk with my boss. And you know what? I found another job. I’m leaving. My boss, She will tell the team, hey, you know, what Jose’s leaving, who wants to occupy his position? And one of my colleagues, maybe part time or maybe someone in another area say, oh, I want it. And they will do the internal process interviews. And my position is filled in. And my position never go outside, no, never was in the Internet. No. And if nobody in my company want to have my position, my boss and human resources, there was a, you know, someone who can fill this position and is when the networking stuff, that is the second tip and the third tip. Now, if you are outside of Canada, you have the time to prepare yourself for the Canadian standards of jobs. I know the dentists have different standards. The doctors have different standards. The engineers have different standards. People who work in I.T. has different standards. Now is the time to do your research and see what are the standards for your profession in Canada.
Aswathi [00:07:53] Great. So thank you for that. That was really those are three really effective tips and I hope our viewers were able to catch that. We are getting some questions about specific industries and I will go into that. But before that, I wanted to just if you could give us a quick kind of talk about our tip about, like how important LinkedIn is during this job search, because you did touch upon that a little bit. And outside of networking, I just wanted to know, because a lot of people, they are on LinkedIn, but they’re not sure about their profile. You know how it’s supposed to be, how it looks. So if you could just give us a little bit of information about that.
Jose [00:08:29] Well, one important thing is LinkedIn is to sell yourself, you know, the company you work, right? A lot of people. The common mistake is that people say, I work for this, want to do the dot at the company, that companies sell three billion dollars in paper, these companies, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was the manager of sales. You are selling the company. Not you’re selling yourself. And a common mistake is people talk more about the company, about the goals of the company than the skills they have and a good profile. And, well, that is one thing. But the second thing is people doesn’t have anything in LinkedIn. That is interesting, but I want to talk about that later. But if you describe what you do in LinkedIn is LinkedIn is about you and your professional profile. I my idea and maybe I so a traditional person on Facebook is to make friends to the pictures. And and now in this time, people is sitting on the bench and watching TV and you have to know the picture. This is Facebook. LinkedIn is something more professional. LinkedIn is professional. And LinkedIn, you share a good article, news you share. What are the things you like to do? Also, you can write what happen now if you are in these covid and you have a new way to do something, a routine. For example, as a parent, I wrote my routine in the morning. Share that LinkedIn. You see, everybody is a partner or as a daughter, you want to support your your all your parents or old people how to use a telephone and you write something, write it and put in LinkedIn because someone from your age is interested in that knowledge. No. And that’s made your profile interesting. That’s made to why. Oh, look, let’s you know, Aswathi. Oh wow. She talk about social media, she talk about English, she talks about music. She talks about something that people want to read about. You know, the other thing when you describe what you do is that we do the skills, what you do and how you are doing what you do. Yeah, they do that and people say, oh, I’m achieve a goal. I sell two billion dollars in one year. That is a good statement. But I will write something like. Preparing a plan with my team and create the strategy to increase the sales in my company as a result of the plan I have, we have 30 percent increase. It’s exactly the same situation. But in the second one, do you listen to the word team that mean does person work with the team? I create, I planning, I am organizer, I organize, I develop all these what there are verbs, action verbs. Then describe my skills and it’s what you have to put your skills in is in space. And I can talk about LinkedIn a lot because I love it and I really like it is part of the culture and I help people because your skills. So people I like to read. I am a good artist. And OK, what really do I know I am a good drawer. And I did all these collection or all these. Try to, it’s your profile. People, it’s like a picture. And some people just have in the LinkedIn profile the name of the company, the position and the years that it’s. I learn no more about you. I want to know how you did things and the other really, really important thing in LinkedIn, you have in the in the first part, the summary, your summary. Some people just have words entrepreneur. If did Gates have entrepreneur, you completely understand what is entrepreneur? You know, but if nobody knows you and you put entrepreneur it’s everything and it’s nothing and it’s better with you describe: I am an executive coach, a career developer. I love pets and my specialty is support people with complex needs to find a job. That is a big description about. No? And this is LinkedIn and we can talk more about LinkedIn, but now is it time to be on LinkedIn, prepare your LinkedIn and profile. Because when a recruiter to receive a resume, a professional recruiter, the first or the second step at the step after reading the resume is go to the LinkedIn profile. And if they don’t find anything interesting in the first five to 10 seconds, bye. And the other thing that happened is now in a lot of of meetings and I attend in my professional career and we have everybody has fun. And in I have this thing, I don’t have a business card with me normally or when I finish my, everybody are like: Are you on LinkedIn? Yeah, oh, what is your name on LinkedIn. I send you a request now. We are connected. Thank you. Bye. And when this happens, the next thing you have to do in the afternoon and night or the next day is. I assure them it was a pleasure to meet you today in the program, in the episode, I loved to your participation. I loved your activity. I do have to say something about the relationship you create with that person. I look forward to meeting you, look forward to talk to you later, and I hope we can do something together in the future. Thank you for your advice. Something that says: “Ay Aswathi! Oh, yeah.” And you will remember me is is is a plan. If you are doing networking, you have to do something. To create an image about you and the people and to remember you. No?
Aswathi [00:15:32] Sounds great.
Jose [00:15:33] And this is a short answer for LinkedIn.
Chris [00:15:40] And we’re back.
CJ [00:15:41] OK, that was great. What were some of the main takeaways for you, Chris? I think I just want to ask you a few more questions.
Chris [00:15:50] I like what he said about focusing on your actual skills rather than just talking about the companies that you worked for. I think that’s a common mistake many people make. But it was really interesting to hear him talk about LinkedIn and how best to share information with other people. The idea that you should share things that are useful to other people, like an article or something you learn to do,
CJ [00:16:15] Right, keeping it professional. It’s not Facebook. Anything else that you liked about that?
Chris [00:16:22] Yes. I also like the idea of finding someone who is doing the kind of work you want to do and learning how they got there.
CJ [00:16:31] Yeah, I loved that as well. So this is just a reminder to everyone that if you like to watch the rest of the interview, the link to this CELPIP Live episode on YouTube is in the show notes.
Chris [00:16:45] And that’s it for this week. What have we got coming up?
CJ [00:16:48] Well, next week we’re going to revisit another CELPIP Live episode. And this one is all about understanding common English mistakes.
Chris [00:16:58] Oh, that’s going to be useful for a lot of test takers.
CJ [00:17:01] Absolutely. It was a very popular episode of CELPIP Live. Until then, all the best to everyone looking for a job
Chris [00:17:10] and getting ready for the test.
CJ [00:17:12] Bye!
Chris [00:17:14] Bye!